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thanks for joining me today on UAP news

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we got a couple uh things that we're

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going to do today first is read a piece

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from a website called UAP check written

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by a person we've had on the show

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Baptiste

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um it's a little more organized way of

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recapping the Gary Nolan Dr Gary Nolan

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talk at the salt conference so we're

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gonna do that and we're also going to

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read a piece from the Roswell Daily

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Record about a 1986 Japanese Airlines

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case

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um that's pretty good so we're going to

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go through that and we're also going to

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read a piece that came out in February

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of this year by

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um Alex Dietrich one of the witnesses of

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the Tic Tac UFO incident

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it's a really good piece and she's a she

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seems like a wonderful person it's well

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written and I thank her for her service

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and her commitment to the UAP issue so

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we're going to read that we're also

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going to do some back in time I have

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some very interesting uh pieces that

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we're going to go through for back in

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of course we're gonna do what the heck

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and we have a really cool interview uh

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with a gentleman named Dante who

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actually has been writing some

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um UAP influenced songs ever since he

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had an experience and his latest song is

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actually about uh Betty and Barney Hill

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called The Ballad of Betty and Bernie

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home so it's pretty good

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um it's really well done super

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professional Dante is a great guy we had

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a great conversation

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um there's a little inside baseball

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musician talk but uh other than that uh

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hopefully you guys like it so and check

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out his music and all that because it's

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really great and he's the super dude so

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we're going to get to that later

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um with that being said let's get into

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UAP news

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looking up by Donald Burleson special to

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the Daily Record

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the 1986 Japanese Airlines UFO sighting

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UFO investigators treat all witness

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accounts with appropriate attention and

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respect but some witnesses are

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especially compelling in terms of their

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professions and Pilots are one such

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group

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they have experience observing all sorts

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of things in the air and they can often

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estimate the size distance altitude and

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Alaska on November 17 1986.

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on that date a Japanese Airlines Boeing

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747 flight a cargo plane en route from

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Paris to Tokyo was passing over Northern

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Alaska when a remarkable series of

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the pilot was flying his craft at an

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altitude of 35 000 feet a little after 5

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PM when he spotted an unusual pair of

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the pilot was able to estimate the

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altitude of the unknown lights as being

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about 2 000 feet below his own position

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engineer witnessed the lights as well

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the 747 turned it to the left then the

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objects were directly in front of them

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the witness noticed at that point that

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the objects appeared white or amber

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colored and were rectangular in shape

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pilot and crew could see that the lights

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facilities were tracking anything either

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identified or otherwise near the Boeing

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center to try to see whether anything

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radar Returns on the objects but without

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pilot was told that omendorf radar had

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his own designation for it was no longer

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the UFO case is notable not only for the

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facts that the Witnesses were seasoned

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corroboration of radar trackings

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inevitable that debunkers of the event

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said something even more ludicrous than

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officials said the lights observed were

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it's a really good story

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if you watch this show it's not too much

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of a surprise

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that somebody called their visual citing

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during blue book blue book wrote the

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they probably wound up blaming the radar

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sightings on something else like whether

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it be a temperature inversion or radar

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or a balloon with a Target reflector on

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it you name the option

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they'll go with that as long as it's

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nothing weird

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this next story comes in from

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Baptiste UAP check

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extraterrestrial intelligence Dr Gary

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Nolan says it's still here

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on May 18th Dr Gary Nolan participated

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in a groundbreaking interview with Alex

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clocus during the salt New York

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conference

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revealing new information about reverse

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engineering programs of crafts allegedly

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of extraterrestrial origin in the United

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States on May 18th Dr Gary Nolan

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participated in a groundbreaking

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interview with Alex clocus during the

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salt New York conference revealing new

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information about the reverse

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the self-conference known for hosting

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discussions on technology and innovation

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the topic of their talk was unidentified

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shared new information about ongoing

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efforts to challenge the stigmas

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surrounding the subject in the United

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Dr Gary Nolan is a respected professor

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in the department of pathology at

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Stanford specializing in cancer

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immunology and virology he has

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and kova 19 when they posed bio threats

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laboratory instruments to enhance his

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Alex clocus opened the interview by

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asking if he believed extraterrestrial

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intelligence had visited Earth and Dr

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it hasn't just visited it's been here

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extraterrestrial intelligence

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that's the communication that's already

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Gary Nolan stature to do the same

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openly discuss UAP directly is a

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significant breakthrough one question

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about his level of confidence in his

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statements Dr Nolan confidently

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explaining why he continued

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establishment of an unidentified aerial

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phenomenon office the establishment of

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looking into the harm that's happened to

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a number of individuals going back to

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in this context Dr Gary Nolan likely

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alludes to the ongoing struggle between

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Congressional members and factions

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within the U.S Department of Defense who

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have long sought to impede or obstruct

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the establishment of an official office

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for unidentified aerial phenomenon in

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the dod

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this obstruction hinders injured

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military personnel from receiving timely

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treatment when exposed to radiation

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near a UAP one could think of the case

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of John Burroughs a U.S Air Force

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which he was close to gaining access to

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one of these objects but faced

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administrative obstacles that prevented

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administrative tricks and snatched it

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away the Congress and the crafts talking

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about the current struggle against parts

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of the U.S Administration Nolan

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continued and looking at the

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disinformation and misinformation that

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has been basically articulated over the

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last decade 12 U.S senators have signed

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onto a document that basically says we

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want the information

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the establishment of an office arrow in

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the Department of Defense has 25 people

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working in it right now

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day of February 16 2023 the letter

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addressed to deputy secretary Kathleen

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Hicks and principal deputy director of

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National Intelligence Stacy Dixon and

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signed by 16 U.S senators requests

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assistance in securing the necessary

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funding and organizational support for

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Aero success and Longevity while we

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recognize there was an Administration

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request for funds in fiscal year 2023 to

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fund basic operating expenses for Aero

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it is facing a funding shortfall that

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will impede its ability to fulfill its

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mission

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and carefully chosen whereas the Senate

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reminded the Department of Defense of

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its responsibilities towards the

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all-domain anomaly resolution office

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arrow and interestingly this matter was

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discussed during the open hearings with

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arrows director Dr Sean kirpatrick where

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he stated that he was still reporting to

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the United States of intelligence and

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surveillance despite the newly

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implemented law that mandates his

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reporting to the deputy secretary of

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defense Nolan then continued and opened

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a Pandora's Box stating that one of the

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missions of era was

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the creation of a whistleblowers program

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specifically that allows people from

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within who've been working on the

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reverse engineering programs reverse

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engineering of objects so that they can

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come in and break their Oaths but it's

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specifically just to talk to Congress

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and give that information in classified

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settings he then insisted the most

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recent one that happened was just the

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last weekend and it created quite a

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hornet's nest in Washington

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if mentions of alleged reverse

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engineering programs are nothing new in

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the UAP field dating almost as far back

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as the modern era itself

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and publicly stated in the New York

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Times by Dr Eric Davis regarding

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specific programs

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about alleged crashed extraterrestrial

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it is extremely rare to have a scientist

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with Dr Nolan's stature to claim so

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publicly

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it's even rare when they declare that

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current classified briefings are

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happening in the U.S Congress on that

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very topic a few moments later when

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asked what made him so sure he answered

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my experience with people who frankly

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I know I've worked or are working on the

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reverse engineering programs

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by doing so we further indicated that

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not only have past programs existed but

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he also emphasized that ongoing programs

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remain active to this day

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asked where his interest was coming from

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he later explained that

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if we had a piece of any of this let's

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say it's a thousand revolutions ahead of

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us or a million revolutions ahead of us

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even a tiny piece of knowledge from that

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could revolutionize what it is that

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we're doing I'm always looking for the

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opportunity and looking at the upside of

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this

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I'm not worried about them coming and

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you know

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us or taking our women and our children

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that's not my concern my concern is how

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do we use it once asked what is

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hypothesis regarding the origin of such

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craft he pondered for a moment and

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explained I think

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it is an advanced form of intelligence

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that is using some kind of

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intermediaries

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I think of it as an intelligence test

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can you see what's in front of you

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for what it really is can you see the

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anomalous data point

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finally asked how to accelerate research

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on UAP Dr Nolan explained you need to

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bring together the right set of

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basically frankly anthropologists and

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sociologists or do we talk about the

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fact that we're not at the top of the

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intellectual food chain

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that's the question indeed

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all right here we have opinion the power

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of cooperation can help us solve the

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mystery of unidentified aerial

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phenomenon by Alex Dietrich

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February 17 2023 I missed this article

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originally when it first came out I

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think

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or maybe I didn't but regardless I

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wanted to read it I thought it was

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pretty good

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Alex Steve Rick retired served as one of

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the nation's first female Strike Fighter

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aviators as a fa-18 pilot from 2001 to

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2020.

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yesterday the president held a press

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conference on the issue of unidentified

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anomalous phenomena due to a flurry of

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recent activity the nation was

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captivated by a suspected Chinese

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reconnaissance balloon that floated

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across the continental United States

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this incident prompted NORAD and other

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U.S agencies to adjust their radar scans

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the filter changes have exposed more

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unidentified objects

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and another three were shot down over

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the weekend

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these events highlight a long-standing

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domain awareness Gap confronting our

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Collective Consciousness on three fronts

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military defense Aviation safety and

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scientific inquiry

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officials have since disclosed that the

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Chinese military had previously breached

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U.S airspace on at least four other

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occasions we are now aware of these

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earlier incursions due to political and

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popular pressure to investigate and

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UAP replaces the Antiquated and

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stigmatized term UFO to describe

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anything in space in the air and land in

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the sea or under the sea that can't be

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identified

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per the FY 22 National Defense

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authorization act the

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bipartisan-sponsored UAP amendment

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requires DOD to establish a dedicated

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UAP program and publish annual

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unclassified reports to Congress and

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thus the public

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in the hopes of answering interminable

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questions

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are they a threat are they a natural

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phenomenon are they disruptive Tech

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should we shoot them down

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if we don't know what it is how can we

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establish who is responsible

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and pays for the surveillance

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response and subsequent operations

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it's a slippery slope that deters even a

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hesitant first step toward attempting an

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I started asking the same questions

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nearly 20 years ago in a f a 18 flying

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off the coast of California my

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colleagues and I encountered something

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we could not explain

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an anomalous flying object in broad

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daylight against a clear blue sky in

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calm Waters

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our carrier strike group

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had been watching anomalous hits on the

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radar for days

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once Airborne we were vectored and asked

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to investigate we merged and Visually

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acquired the object

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and that white oblong shape with no

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apparent flight control surfaces visible

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means of propulsion or smoke Trail

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yet it out maneuvered us with ease we

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communicated in real time via radio then

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debriefed the intelligence team and

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chain of command back toward the ship

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another fa-18f launched and managed to

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capture video of the object with its

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forward-looking infrared

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a screenshot of that video has since

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become an iconic symbol of UAP

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the Nimitz encounter is one of many

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Pilot's incredible eyewitnesses on the

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ground for years have reported and

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verified objects with unknown provenance

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and exotic capabilities

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it would be irresponsible to suggest

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that any or all of these reports

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represent the same Tech or are of the

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same origin

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but we do know that collectively these

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anomalies expose a blind spot in our

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ability to sense them in the first place

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track them in real time

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and predict where they might pop up next

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Are UFOs real

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yes

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are they a foreign adversary

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Maybe

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are they extraterrestrial in nature

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it's possible

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should we keep investigating

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absolutely

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there are many potential answers to the

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UAP mystery and those answers are not

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necessarily mutually exclusive truth is

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persistent whatever is happening here it

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will be revealed

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how quickly depends on our Collective

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commitment to authorizing resource

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appropriate agencies who can effectively

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leverage sensor technology capture

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crowdsource reporting and mine the

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collective data display persistent

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snickering anytime the topic of UFOs is

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broached NASA has managed to convene a

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committee of respected high-ranking

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representatives from the dodfaa

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in academic institutions for an ongoing

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UAP study the pentagon's commitment has

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evolved from the small Advanced

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Aerospace threat identification program

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into the robust all domain anomaly

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resolution office Private Industry is

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rising to the occasion with rapid

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Innovation and agile Solutions it's also

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made an impressive bipartisan push on

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the issue with Senators gillibrand Rubio

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Warner Graham Hendrick blunt and

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representative Gallagher speaking out to

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break the taboo and push agencies to

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cooperate and take UAP seriously

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the partnership between multiple

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objective parties

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systematic data collection and careful

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analytical methods will move us toward

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reporting and listening away from

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ridicule and stigma

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we can move the needle away from the

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unknown toward the known

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be vigilant stay curious look up

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we have barely tasted this guy

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Lieutenant Commander Alex Diedrich

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retired served as one of the nation's

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first female Strike Fighter aviators as

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F-18 pilot from 2001 to 2020. she logged

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more than 1250 flight hours 375 carrier

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arrested Landings and was awarded a

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combat air medal for 206 combat missions

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flown in support of operation Iraqi

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freedom

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she was also awarded a bronze star medal

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for a boots on the ground deployment in

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Afghanistan in 2010. she has since

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taught leadership ethics and critical

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thinking of the George Washington

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University U.S Naval Academy now serves

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on the faculty of the University of

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Colorado School of Engineering at

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Boulder

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edric is an advocate for legacy Flight

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Academy

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a foundation that promotes diversity and

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Aviation and wings for Val supporting

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women and Aviation

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uh that was a great piece uh

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that Alex Dietrich wrote so thank you to

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her for that wonderful piece she you

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know I feel like she often gets um

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forgotten in this whole thing as far as

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being a a witness to a UAP and a

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credible witness to a UAP

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you know she has done a lot with her

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life in her career

573
00:25:15,289 --> 00:25:12,780
it's been awarded medals

574
00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:15,299
for her work in the service

575
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,980
we should all thank her for her service

576
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:19,440
and take her story of the Tic Tac

577
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:20,580
seriously

578
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,860
she has skill sets most of us don't have

579
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:25,440
an observation

580
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:27,240
and flying

581
00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:56,590
[Music]

582
00:26:02,510 --> 00:25:59,590
sakuro sequel

583
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,520
by Coral Lorenz

584
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:05,279
Miss Lorenz one of the world's leading

585
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,980
and most respected researchers into the

586
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:09,900
UFO mystery

587
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:12,179
is international director of the aerial

588
00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:14,700
phenomenon research organization of

589
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:18,299
Tucson Arizona U.S survey she is also

590
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:21,960
editor of the apro bulletin and author

591
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:25,200
of that excellent book The Great Flying

592
00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:27,059
Saucer hoax

593
00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:29,100
this has been reprinted from fake

594
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:37,690
it was Thursday April 30th 1964 alone

595
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:41,220
B-57 was flying a routine mission in the

596
00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:43,620
vicinity of stallion site a few miles

597
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:46,580
east of San Antonio New Mexico USA

598
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,140
suddenly the pilot called main control

599
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,600
on the Holloman Air Force Base White

600
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:53,880
Sands Proving Ground integrated test

601
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:55,740
range and announced that he was not

602
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:57,059
alone

603
00:27:03,529 --> 00:26:59,220
when control called for an explanation

604
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:03,539
he replied that he had got a UFO

605
00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:05,100
when the controller asked for a

606
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,320
description of the object the pilot

607
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:09,600
informed him that it was egg-shaped and

608
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:11,159
white

609
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:13,380
and in reply to further questions stated

610
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:15,179
that it carried markings similar to

611
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,900
those on the Socorro UFO

612
00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:21,360
he then swung his big jet aircraft round

613
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:24,600
to make another pass at the object and

614
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,340
as he flew over the area where he had

615
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:28,620
first seen it he recalled base and

616
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:31,919
announced laconically that the UFO was

617
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:37,909
then radio communication seized photo

618
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,460
Crews were asked to stand by

619
00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:43,679
main control is a huge building topped

620
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:45,539
with automatic and manual tracking

621
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:47,940
devices and radar antenna completely

622
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:50,760
removed from the main base at Holloman

623
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,860
inside the mission controller as well as

624
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:54,960
a host of other Personnel keep in

625
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:56,700
constant contact with instrumentation

626
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:58,980
installations throughout the whole range

627
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:01,020
and coordinate the efforts of planes

628
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,900
missiles Radars and theodites in order

629
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:06,000
to keep track of the progress of the

630
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:07,799
various experimental tests being carried

631
00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:11,159
out at Holloman and White Sands

632
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:13,620
shortly after I received my first tip on

633
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:15,000
the above information I called Terry

634
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:19,260
Clark of kalg radio in elamogordo nine

635
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:22,020
miles east of Holloman Air Force Base I

636
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:23,460
asked him what he knew about the UFO

637
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,340
landing on the Holloman range in April

638
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:28,320
he said his information Source had

639
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:30,059
monitored the range radio communications

640
00:28:36,409 --> 00:28:32,940
that day and his information was almost

641
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,419
exactly what I have stated

642
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,460
he also said he heard of another

643
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,559
sighting and there was a rumor that a

644
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:43,200
UFO was in a hangar at Holloman under

645
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:45,539
heavy guard

646
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,059
I contacted Arlene Brewer of the

647
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:51,120
Alamogordo Daily News to find he had

648
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:53,820
sketchy knowledge of the sighting but he

649
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:55,980
had heard the rumors

650
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:03,049
next I went through the files dealing

651
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:04,679
with the New Mexico sightings of April

652
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:07,140
in May one contact informed me that

653
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:08,940
unidentified lights have been cited on

654
00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:11,220
the Range during April prior to the

655
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:14,039
historic Zamora incident another bit of

656
00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:15,900
information involved a guard who had

657
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,020
come upon a UFO on the range at night

658
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:20,820
hysterical with surprise and fright he

659
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,880
emptied his sidearm at the object then

660
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:24,960
fled

661
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,820
with the UFO seemingly in Hot Pursuit

662
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:31,200
when he finally reached base

663
00:29:36,169 --> 00:29:33,539
headquarters our informants said he had

664
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:36,179
flipped his lid and required sedation in

665
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,450
I immediately made queries concerning

666
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:43,740
the landing and any other incidents

667
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:46,860
related to the Holloman range Landing we

668
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:48,840
learned of two other UFO incidents on

669
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:50,820
the Range during the month of May

670
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:53,159
there is no doubt in my mind concerning

671
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:54,960
the accuracy and reliability of the

672
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:01,250
separate informants who have been

673
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:03,000
reliable in the past gave us information

674
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:06,360
we needed to verify the initial facts I

675
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,580
do not hesitate to relate it here for at

676
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:10,980
the time there was no indication of

677
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,080
classification

678
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:15,120
and the incidents were discussed quite

679
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,600
freely both in White Sands and Holloman

680
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,880
the singular fact about the landing

681
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:23,520
which took place on the Range extension

682
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:26,220
between zakaro and Albuquerque was that

683
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:29,460
a digital Trek recording was obtained

684
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:31,980
during the presence of the object a

685
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,020
digital track recording is a tape

686
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,799
recording automatically generated

687
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,120
simultaneously with the tracking

688
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:41,640
operation which contains the elevation

689
00:30:48,289 --> 00:30:44,700
Azimuth and range of the target during

690
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:48,299
the time it tracked by radar

691
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,100
on May 15th between 11 30 and 12 15 PM

692
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:56,159
surveillance radar as well as FPS 16

693
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,679
Radars at stallion site tracked two

694
00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:00,720
objects in the area north of stone

695
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:01,980
inside

696
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:04,980
the UFOs performed perfect precise

697
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:07,799
flight maneuvers

698
00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:10,740
including side-by-side flight separating

699
00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:12,779
then rejoining each other in formation

700
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:16,200
and up and down Maneuvers like a pogo

701
00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:17,220
stick

702
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:19,740
visual confirmation was made by a

703
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:22,440
trained radar operator who saw the two

704
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:25,140
objects describe them as brown and Rugby

705
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:27,659
Football shaped they were flying at low

706
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,159
altitude and disappeared Beyond

707
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,020
buildings at the instrumentation site

708
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,120
where the radar operator observed them

709
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:35,520
probably the most disturbing information

710
00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:38,880
relating to this sighting was that one

711
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:40,860
or both of the objects were responding

712
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:43,860
alternately with the standard FAA

713
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:53,750
identification friendly foe to avoid the

714
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:55,559
necessity of having to depend entirely

715
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,679
on radar skin track I.E reflection of

716
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,039
radar beam from the plane's surface

717
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:04,080
there is in use in most Military and

718
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:07,799
Commercial aircraft a transponder system

719
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,140
an interrogate signal is transmitted

720
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:12,720
periodically from the tracking ground

721
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,740
station

722
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:15,600
this signal consists of a series of

723
00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:17,340
pulses arranged in a particular time

724
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:20,840
sequence or code

725
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,760
when the transponder a combination

726
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:26,399
receiver and transmitter receives the

727
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,260
correct code it responds by transmitting

728
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:30,720
a code of its own which is received at

729
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:32,520
the ground station this is called a

730
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,399
recognition signal

731
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:37,980
either of two frequencies commonly are

732
00:32:42,810 --> 00:32:40,620
used with the different code on each

733
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,820
frequency

734
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:44,460
[Music]

735
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:46,500
it was one of these codes that the two

736
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:48,600
football-shaped objects

737
00:32:54,409 --> 00:32:51,000
were beaming alternately while in flight

738
00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:54,419
on the Range north of stallion site

739
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,480
exactly seven days later on May 22nd an

740
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,340
automatic track was obtained of an

741
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:01,140
unidentified flying object

742
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,380
with an exceedingly low speed of up to 2

743
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:07,500
000 feet per minute very slow 25 miles

744
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:09,000
per hour

745
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,360
which came within 3 700 yards of one of

746
00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:15,600
the range radar installations

747
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,340
the skies were clear and there was no

748
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:19,440
indication that the objects tracked were

749
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:21,960
any kind of atmospheric phenomenon

750
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,360
and certainly they're not conventional

751
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,399
aircraft

752
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:29,039
after collating the information Mr

753
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:30,899
Lorenz and I decided to give a press

754
00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:31,980
release

755
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,679
we had a special purpose in mind to get

756
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:37,200
further information on all sightings our

757
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:38,940
release was given to the Press wires on

758
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:39,899
Saturday

759
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:46,370
and Sunday May 25th Holloman answered

760
00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:49,919
a release with an AP release

761
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:51,960
date land Holloman

762
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:54,120
it said that the Air Force confirmed

763
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,760
that a radar unit at Holloman twice had

764
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:59,039
tracked UFOs in the area of White Sands

765
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:01,080
on the preceding Friday and that the

766
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:03,059
report was being investigated

767
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:04,559
it suggested that some natural

768
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:06,360
phenomenons such as a dust storm

769
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:08,580
probably was responsible

770
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:10,679
the spokesman could find no basis for a

771
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,359
report from an aerial phenomenon

772
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,820
research group in Tucson

773
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:17,520
of a visual sighting at Holman or that

774
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:20,520
an egg-shaped object was underguard in

775
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,260
Holman

776
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:24,240
we did learn something

777
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:26,040
there had been two separate sightings on

778
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,940
Friday May 22nd instead of one

779
00:34:33,490 --> 00:34:31,980
unless there was another Landing we

780
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:33,500
captured

781
00:34:39,649 --> 00:34:37,020
UFO would be the one involved in the

782
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:39,659
April 30th Landing which would mean a

783
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:42,359
motorized ground Patrol must have come

784
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,720
upon the UFO while its occupants were

785
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,179
some distance from it and prevented

786
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:50,399
their re-entering The Craft

787
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,679
I do not know of any UFO landing

788
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:55,440
incident in which the occupants ever got

789
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:58,200
very far away from their craft and the

790
00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,119
Zamora Landing demonstrates their

791
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:01,800
amazing speed and ability to escape

792
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:03,960
close observation

793
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,300
also the size and amount of noise of a

794
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:08,760
B-57 make it impossible to believe the

795
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:10,980
occupants of the April 30th UFO were

796
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:13,020
unaware of its presence

797
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:15,060
it is difficult to put any Credence in

798
00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:16,920
the rumor of the captured object and a

799
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,859
hangar at Holloman and remain objective

800
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:22,260
all of my sources Trace back to a single

801
00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:23,880
Airman

802
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,320
who spoke of the object in his shop and

803
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:29,220
almagordo

804
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:31,800
it does seem that in as much as our

805
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,060
contacts could find no further

806
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:35,040
corroboration as they did find for the

807
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,339
incidents of April 30th May 15th and

808
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,599
20th

809
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,000
that the fellow was either making a bid

810
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:44,400
for attention and or was mistakingly

811
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:48,599
excited by a closely guarded hanger

812
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:51,000
but frankly I believe the account of the

813
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:52,740
frightened guard who stumbled upon the

814
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:57,650
and I do know that the civilian

815
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,820
population in the vicinity of Holloman

816
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:02,160
White Sands Proving Ground range are

817
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:03,420
apprehensive

818
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,550
I also have information indicating that

819
00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:12,599
the military and Holloman in White Sands

820
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:14,760
one of the most thoroughly instrumented

821
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,579
test spaces in the United States are

822
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:19,740
concerned about unconventional aircraft

823
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:24,960
which not only land under their noses

824
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:27,240
but which knows so much about aerial

825
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:29,339
procedures and traffic that they can

826
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:32,339
simulate coded FAA

827
00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:35,940
recognition signals these reports are of

828
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:38,700
enormous importance of true and there

829
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,920
are strong evidence that they are true

830
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:42,960
but Hallman White Sands area is now

831
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,960
under a blanket of military security

832
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:47,940
it was impossible for us to go in and

833
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:49,740
interview the principles allegedly

834
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:50,940
involved

835
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:54,480
yeah what we have conducted here is a

836
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:56,820
kind of intelligence operation but we

837
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:58,859
trust our source and we have evaluated

838
00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:00,839
our information to the best of our

839
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:01,800
ability

840
00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:04,320
and since August there were three UFO

841
00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:06,780
Landings in the state of Arizona in one

842
00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:09,420
night all near highways or roads

843
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:12,060
Colorado Wyoming

844
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:14,940
and Montana have experienced similar

845
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:16,500
visitations

846
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:18,599
the threat of continuity which runs

847
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:21,480
throughout the fabric of the spring 1964

848
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:24,420
flap consists of these major features

849
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:26,760
the objects which landed were hovered

850
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:31,260
fell on straight lines on the map

851
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:33,420
they landed in areas where eventually

852
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,730
but where they would be inaccessible and

853
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:42,720
therefore safe

854
00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:45,000
of all the sightings gathered by apro

855
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,220
since April 22nd there have been only

856
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:50,160
three or four orphans not located on

857
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,740
previously established straight lines

858
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,680
reports currently are coming into apro's

859
00:37:59,530 --> 00:37:57,599
office from around the United States as

860
00:38:03,050 --> 00:37:59,540
well as the Fiji islands and Australia

861
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:03,060
are just openers for what may be ahead

862
00:38:08,089 --> 00:38:06,300
the spring 1964 flap impresses me as an

863
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:08,099
intelligence operation

864
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:11,339
carried out by the occupants of the UFOs

865
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,859
either to show themselves Preparatory to

866
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,320
closer contact in the future or to find

867
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:18,480
out the effect such contact would have

868
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,680
on humans or how much we already suspect

869
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:25,200
the Press wire services and network TV

870
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,940
and radio have been for the most part

871
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:29,280
silent about UFOs or

872
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:31,859
adhering to the prescribed there ain't

873
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:34,380
no such thing party line

874
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:38,700
of official them since 1952.

875
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,160
perhaps the UFO occupants have made a

876
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:43,680
number of Landings and places where they

877
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,420
would be certain to be observed than

878
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:47,520
retired to a safe place to monitor local

879
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:50,460
TV and radio in order to learn the

880
00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:52,920
effects of their visits on the natives a

881
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,220
similar operation took place over a

882
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:57,780
geographically similar area with

883
00:39:03,710 --> 00:38:59,700
comparatively sparse population in

884
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:03,720
Northeast Brazil on May 13 1960

885
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:06,359
just a few months before Mars and Earth

886
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,300
made a close pass in space

887
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:11,280
Mars and Earth will be close again in

888
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:13,800
March 1965.

889
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,660
because of the establishment of the

890
00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:17,640
straight-line pattern in the civilian

891
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,980
sightings of UFOs in the southwest in

892
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:22,200
April and early may I decided to see

893
00:39:26,810 --> 00:39:24,060
whether the estimated location of the

894
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,820
April 30th landing at Holloman fell on

895
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:29,280
one of the lines a straight line drawn

896
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:31,380
from Socorro where the Zamora sighting

897
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,500
took place to round Mountaineer to La

898
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,119
Rosa New Mexico where a motorist

899
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:38,160
observed a bright object coming down the

900
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:39,780
next day

901
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,640
intersects the Holloman range near

902
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:45,119
stallion site as well as Highway 380.

903
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:48,660
north of the site near San Antonio

904
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:51,180
another line from round Mountain through

905
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:53,220
Albuquerque Rock Springs Wyoming and

906
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:55,260
Canyon Ferry Montana

907
00:39:59,569 --> 00:39:57,960
also intersects the north range

908
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,579
the third possibility is the line

909
00:40:04,690 --> 00:40:02,400
running from Las Cruces through Edgewood

910
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:04,700
La Mirada

911
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,579
Alamosa Colorado to Cheyenne Wyoming all

912
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,500
of which are locations of sighted UFOs

913
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:12,960
however we cannot assume the Holloman

914
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:15,180
Landing falls on one of the lines but

915
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,160
can only reiterate that three of the

916
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,200
previously established lines do

917
00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:20,880
intersect the north Holloman range

918
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:22,220
extension

919
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,599
the interesting thing about these four

920
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:26,520
military sightings and there may be more

921
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:29,339
of course is that the UFOs were seen on

922
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,260
a military base during the time from

923
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:33,359
April 30th onward

924
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:35,940
that military representatives were

925
00:40:41,770 --> 00:40:38,760
busily labeling various

926
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:41,780
civilian sightings of similar objects to

927
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:43,500
misinterpretation of conventional

928
00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:45,300
objects or hoaxes

929
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,859
I believe the series of sightings

930
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,780
demonstrates that the Air Force program

931
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:51,000
is merely an attempt to explain away

932
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,220
UFOs

933
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:55,560
and a really serious work of evaluation

934
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:00,960
correlation Etc is being done elsewhere

935
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:03,000
the Air Force's official statement that

936
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:06,599
it was unfortunate that only one witness

937
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,240
reported the Socorro object and that no

938
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:12,060
photographs were obtained is clearly an

939
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:13,980
attempt to discredit the Zamora citing

940
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,200
on the basis of the lack of

941
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,359
corroborating Witnesses

942
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:20,700
the Air Force immediately was put into

943
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:23,339
an embarrassing position when Dr Lincoln

944
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:26,220
lapaz noted meteorologist who knows them

945
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:28,920
more personally endorsed his integrity

946
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,260
and reliability it was during my

947
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,359
investigation of the New Mexico flat

948
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,220
that I learned of the existence of an

949
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,160
agency called the UFO board

950
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:40,560
comprised of military and civilian

951
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:42,119
scientists

952
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,060
Air Force regulation 200-2 much quoted

953
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:48,000
among UFO enthusiasts instructs a local

954
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:50,940
UFO officer on how to investigate a UFO

955
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,920
sighting and serves as a guide for

956
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:55,320
public information officers concerning

957
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:58,140
what can or cannot be said about a given

958
00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:59,700
incident

959
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:02,040
if an object can be explained the public

960
00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:03,780
statement can be made

961
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,359
if it is unexplainable in conventional

962
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,280
terms no public statement will be

963
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:13,849
an avian Army however have no

964
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:15,780
unclassified public regulations about

965
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:18,359
UFOs but do have classified regulations

966
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:21,540
governing UFO investigations and these

967
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,700
services do not make public statements

968
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:25,920
about any UFO incidents

969
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:27,540
one of the people at right air

970
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:28,980
Development Center

971
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,520
UFO project recently told an apro member

972
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:34,260
that they don't have enough time and

973
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,190
let alone research and evaluation

974
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,880
it is

975
00:42:50,089 --> 00:42:47,280
only normal procedure that the Air Force

976
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:50,099
would be regulated let alone research

977
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,500
and evaluation

978
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:55,200
it is only normal procedure that the Air

979
00:43:01,970 --> 00:42:57,780
Force would be regulated the task of

980
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,980
publicity accounting for UFOs just as it

981
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:04,079
is only normal that the agency doing the

982
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:06,420
actual research and evaluation would be

983
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:10,260
operating behind closed doors anonymous

984
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,400
for many years researchers have urged

985
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:17,220
that all facts should be told and that

986
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,280
possible resulting hysteria is not a

987
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,319
legitimate reason for denying the

988
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:25,680
existence of UFOs and I agree but there

989
00:43:30,490 --> 00:43:28,200
may be an area we have not thoroughly

990
00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:30,500
explored early in the UFO game certain

991
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:32,819
responsible scientists and officials

992
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:34,920
recognized

993
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,619
the superior nature of the UFOs accepted

994
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:40,319
the interplanetary thesis and considered

995
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:42,660
the possible hostility of the objects

996
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,720
they may have felt justified in exerting

997
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,240
some influence on press wires TV and

998
00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:50,700
Radio Networks to keep UFO information

999
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:52,619
at a minimum

1000
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,319
they may have realized as early as 1950

1001
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,599
when UFOs Jam radio frequencies of

1002
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,000
planes over Korea that the objects were

1003
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,400
capable of monitoring our electronic

1004
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:04,800
news Transmissions

1005
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,370
objective enough to admit that a

1006
00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:12,240
counterintelligence move as outlined

1007
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:16,619
above would be practical and necessary

1008
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:18,839
so this symbol that's in here is

1009
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:21,060
actually the same symbol

1010
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:26,220
that supposedly Zamora Drew five minutes

1011
00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:29,760
after seeing it

1012
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,619
so the first person that showed up to

1013
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:33,599
the scene was another cop

1014
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:35,460
and so he must have drew it for him and

1015
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,500
this is in the files but it's said by

1016
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:39,599
other people that this isn't the right

1017
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:44,150
and I don't want any part of that

1018
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:46,020
argument because it just can't be proven

1019
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,140
this story to me

1020
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:51,599
is very interesting but I think it's a

1021
00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,540
part of a bigger flap in 1964. well I

1022
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:56,819
know it's a part of a bigger flap

1023
00:45:02,450 --> 00:44:59,640
there were

1024
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,460
a few sightings that year

1025
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:04,800
to say the least but in that specific

1026
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:08,400
area of Socorro and Southwest uh United

1027
00:45:12,349 --> 00:45:09,960
States there are a lot of sightings and

1028
00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:12,359
there always are really but these

1029
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:15,500
sightings took on kind of a different

1030
00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:18,359
feature and we saw this feature start to

1031
00:45:24,349 --> 00:45:20,819
show up in about 57.

1032
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:24,359
or 58. in that same area

1033
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:26,099
where people were seeing things at

1034
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:29,220
staling insight and White Sands and 57

1035
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,380
and The Trinity site

1036
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,160
and we had a Air Force missile

1037
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:37,680
engineer actually have his car engine

1038
00:45:42,010 --> 00:45:40,440
stopped by UFO and he felt some Burning

1039
00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:42,020
Sensations

1040
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:45,319
57 in

1041
00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:49,200
Tonopah range we told the story of

1042
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:51,660
Lieutenant Joseph long so all this stuff

1043
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:55,200
kind of started creeping up in about 57.

1044
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,420
and then we get to 64 and this stuff

1045
00:46:02,990 --> 00:45:59,520
kept happening but more intermediately

1046
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:03,000
inter and this stuff kept happening but

1047
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:04,859
not as much as that initially you're 57

1048
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,140
at least was documented by the Air Force

1049
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,140
so whatever that means right

1050
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:12,420
but in 64 of things really picked up you

1051
00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:14,520
had a lot of contact cases and you had

1052
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,440
this Lonnie Zamora sighting which is a

1053
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,000
one witness case in the Air Force

1054
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,000
especially at this time in 1964

1055
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:23,520
basically through one witness cases out

1056
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:25,260
the window

1057
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:27,480
but this one they did not why because it

1058
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:30,180
was a police officer and because it

1059
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:34,020
received massive amounts of press

1060
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:36,780
and I've said this repeatedly but if if

1061
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,060
we want more information on a certain

1062
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:42,240
case or you know something anything to

1063
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:45,000
do with UAP UFOs like

1064
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:49,380
it takes the pressure from the press to

1065
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:56,030
and I saw this repeatedly over and over

1066
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:02,390
there could be a case that seemingly

1067
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,920
looks good but if nobody knows about it

1068
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,960
other than the witness and the

1069
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:08,520
investigators

1070
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:11,099
the files maybe like three pages

1071
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:18,890
but if there's press behind it if

1072
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,960
nightcap and Donald Kehoe got a hold of

1073
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:24,000
it

1074
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:25,980
all hell broke loose

1075
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:28,619
and the Air Force's files on whatever

1076
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,020
case it would have been whether it's

1077
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:33,359
this Redmond case in 59 which made the

1078
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:35,060
Press

1079
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:42,829
the Air Force's files went up to

1080
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,000
somewhere sometimes up to you know 60 to

1081
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:48,000
100 Pages for that case

1082
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,839
and more was actually released on it

1083
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,000
you know now did the Air Force you know

1084
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:57,119
obviously they said everything was um

1085
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:58,859
you know BS

1086
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:01,079
there's more incident they couldn't they

1087
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,420
said it was unidentified

1088
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:06,000
and you you know when things hit the

1089
00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:07,859
Press

1090
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,740
they go pretty far to investigate like

1091
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:12,780
we had Air Force folks go into White

1092
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,200
Sands to have uh secret interviews to

1093
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:18,420
see you know if it was anything from

1094
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:20,460
their location any vehicles that Zamora

1095
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,500
spotted or whatever they checked all

1096
00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:24,420
private contractors all that kind of

1097
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,319
stuff

1098
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:28,079
there's this little Joe Rocket that NASA

1099
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:29,220
was shooting they thought maybe it was

1100
00:48:34,250 --> 00:48:30,660
them

1101
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:34,260
wasn't they couldn't figure it out and

1102
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:35,640
even afterwards

1103
00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:37,380
um Quintanilla

1104
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:38,760
said

1105
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:46,250
some people say it's the lunar lander

1106
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,319
that was responsible for that case

1107
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:51,359
and I don't think that's that's it

1108
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:54,359
because if that was it by now

1109
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,980
six years later

1110
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:58,020
we would know that

1111
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:00,660
somebody would have told poor Zamora or

1112
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,200
is even family at this point that hey

1113
00:49:08,569 --> 00:49:06,180
settle down

1114
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,579
you know UFOs don't exist that was a

1115
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,079
lunar lander

1116
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,480
like for the grace of God somebody tell

1117
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:15,119
them that if that's what it was but it

1118
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:22,250
you know at least that's my opinion

1119
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:25,560
so but 1964 there were some other very

1120
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:31,030
and that's what we're going to get into

1121
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:46,790
[Music]

1122
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:48,890
first we're going to look at newspaper

1123
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:52,740
articles that pertain to Cora lorenza's

1124
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:54,359
piece here

1125
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,460
and the Holloman Landing

1126
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:58,500
we're going to see what actually popped

1127
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:00,780
up in the Press about this

1128
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,480
in newspapers not just flying saucer

1129
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:05,640
bulletins so stay tuned thanks for

1130
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:08,460
hanging out enjoy the ride radar tracks

1131
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,619
Flying Saucer

1132
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,040
or a storm

1133
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:16,140
Holloman Air Force Base AP the Air Force

1134
00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:18,300
confirmed Saturday that a radar unit

1135
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,700
here twice tracked unidentified flying

1136
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:22,800
objects in the area of White Sands

1137
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:25,260
Missile Range on Friday

1138
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:28,200
the sprawling Missile Range lies west of

1139
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,079
Holloman a spokesman said the report was

1140
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:33,300
being investigated but suggested that

1141
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:35,460
some natural phenomena such as a dust

1142
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:38,339
storm probably was responsible

1143
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,200
the spokesman said he could find no

1144
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,000
basis for a report from an aerial

1145
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:43,920
phenomenon research group in Tucson

1146
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,220
Arizona of a visual sighting at Holloman

1147
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:49,440
or that an egg-shaped object was under

1148
00:50:55,450 --> 00:50:52,980
Garden a Holloman Hangar a rash of UFO

1149
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:55,460
reports in New Mexico recently included

1150
00:51:02,089 --> 00:51:00,000
sightings of egg-shaped objects offers

1151
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,099
to turn it over to the Air Force group

1152
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:03,839
claims possession

1153
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,970
Alamogordo AP an official of an

1154
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:13,200
organization dedicated to the study of

1155
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:14,819
unidentified flying objects said

1156
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:17,220
Saturday the group has physical evidence

1157
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,460
of the existence of such phenomena and a

1158
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:22,559
challenge was issued to the U.S Air

1159
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,900
Force to try to refute the evidence

1160
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:27,359
the challenge came in a letter from Miss

1161
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:31,079
Coral Lorenz of el magordo who is an

1162
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:32,819
international director of the aerial

1163
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,760
phenomenon research organization

1164
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:38,640
this group as a worldwide membership and

1165
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:41,940
its aim is to collect and study on UFOs

1166
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,839
Miss Lorenz said the apro has in its

1167
00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:47,700
possession two pieces of material found

1168
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:49,859
after what she termed an

1169
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:52,140
extraterrestrial vehicle met with

1170
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:55,380
disaster in the Earth's atmosphere Mrs

1171
00:51:59,329 --> 00:51:57,180
lorenzen's letter was sent to Major

1172
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,339
Lawrence J Tacker of the office of

1173
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,960
public information of the Air Force in

1174
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:01,920
Washington

1175
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:04,980
we feel that it should be routed through

1176
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:08,700
you since it concerns directly a recent

1177
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,339
report issued by your office to the

1178
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,960
effect that the Air Force has no

1179
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:14,880
physical evidence indicating that any

1180
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:18,000
UFOs are real and extraterrestrial

1181
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:21,420
Mrs Lorenzen wrote a release which you

1182
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:23,640
issued early this year States no

1183
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:26,280
physical or material evidence not even a

1184
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,380
minute fragment of a so-called flank

1185
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:30,960
saucer has even been found

1186
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:34,440
yeah sounds familiar

1187
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:36,839
the apro she adds can provide this

1188
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:38,579
physical evidence

1189
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:40,380
it is in fact a portion of an

1190
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:42,540
extraterrestrial vehicle which met with

1191
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:44,760
disaster in the Earth's atmosphere the

1192
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,859
catastrophe was witnessed by numerous

1193
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:49,500
human beings She Wrote

1194
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:51,480
the gratifying aspect of this case

1195
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:54,180
however is that we do not have to depend

1196
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:56,520
on the testimony of witnesses to

1197
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,579
establish the reality of the incident

1198
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,740
for the most advanced laboratory tests

1199
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:03,359
indicate that the residual material

1200
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:05,819
could not have been produced through the

1201
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:08,460
application of any known terrestrial

1202
00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:11,280
techniques

1203
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,040
we humbly submit this proposition

1204
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:16,920
the evidence which we have is available

1205
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:19,079
to the U.S Air Force

1206
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,240
not to be bickered about but rather to

1207
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:23,599
be examined by scientific authorities

1208
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,839
acceptable to all parties concerned Mrs

1209
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:30,180
Loren exhibited a photograph of the two

1210
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,819
small pieces she says are part of a

1211
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:34,559
spaceship

1212
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,880
she said that

1213
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:38,400
present she would not say where they

1214
00:53:49,490 --> 00:53:46,790
I would like to emphasize this is no

1215
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,500
trick and that the apro stands ready to

1216
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,079
back up its offer

1217
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,000
the Air Forces here provided the

1218
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:56,400
opportunity to indict or vindicate

1219
00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:57,480
itself

1220
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,099
as it chooses

1221
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:03,359
so March 13 1960 parts of a spaceship

1222
00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:05,220
group says the aerial phenomenon

1223
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:07,800
research organization said the items in

1224
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,960
this Photograph are parts of a spaceship

1225
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:12,480
that crashed on Earth

1226
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,000
apro said the metal in the two pieces

1227
00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:18,000
which are about four inches long and two

1228
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:21,059
inches wide is a form of metal unknown

1229
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,359
anywhere in the world

1230
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:27,000
the bits of metal were turned over to

1231
00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:34,730
Alamogordo so that's it for today's

1232
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:36,599
segment of back in time I hope you

1233
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:38,040
enjoyed it

1234
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:40,980
um now we're going to get into

1235
00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:42,540
an interview

1236
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,619
with Dante oh where are you from

1237
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:48,480
um and

1238
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:49,980
you know what are you what are you doing

1239
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:50,640
here

1240
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,180
[Laughter]

1241
00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:57,119
I'm free I'm from Tulsa Oklahoma

1242
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,900
um and uh I've been on a journey with

1243
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:02,880
this stuff for

1244
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:06,420
um quite a while I started out I had a

1245
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:08,220
podcast a long time ago with some

1246
00:55:13,490 --> 00:55:11,579
buddies called the less we know show and

1247
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:13,500
it started out as just kind of a

1248
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:15,780
conspiracy podcast where we just we just

1249
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,819
like fun stories weird stuff we talk

1250
00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:19,680
about and in that podcast one of the

1251
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:21,000
we're doing around the table one time

1252
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,680
and one of the guys we were saying oh

1253
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:24,420
what's your favorite conspiracy and one

1254
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,740
of the guys that was co-hosting that

1255
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:26,640
said

1256
00:55:32,809 --> 00:55:31,380
Roswell in 1947. and I seriously at the

1257
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,819
time I thought that was I looked at him

1258
00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:34,319
like that's the dumbest thing I've ever

1259
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:37,319
heard I just I wasn't into any of this I

1260
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,720
wasn't like I just thought the idea of

1261
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:42,000
UFOs and aliens and all

1262
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:44,819
all this stuff that we look into now I

1263
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:45,900
really seriously thought it was stupid

1264
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:47,819
sure I just didn't didn't have any

1265
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:50,040
perspective on it anything like that so

1266
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:52,440
the fast forward I started to show an

1267
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:55,380
interest into it and

1268
00:56:01,730 --> 00:55:58,740
um yeah you I I I think I went through

1269
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:01,740
levels of like I'm interested in this uh

1270
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:04,380
I realize there's something there I was

1271
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:07,319
pretty well convinced it was just Black

1272
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,440
Ops like some sort of you know military

1273
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,300
technology that we don't know about for

1274
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:13,680
good reasons for you know security

1275
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:16,500
reasons and then um I've listened to you

1276
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:17,579
the reason I thought about your podcast

1277
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:19,380
was because I've heard you talk

1278
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:23,579
um some about uh I think in 2020 you you

1279
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,940
saw UFO yeah yeah that's right yeah it's

1280
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:29,280
interesting for me that's I saw UFO in

1281
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:32,460
2020. really September in September of

1282
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:34,200
20. yeah me too

1283
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:36,599
no kidding yeah are you in Oklahoma it

1284
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:38,819
might be it might have been end of

1285
00:56:43,069 --> 00:56:41,099
August either like last week of August

1286
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:43,079
our first week of September but no I'm

1287
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:46,740
in uh Milwaukee Wisconsin so he did the

1288
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:48,420
same thing was like you know floating

1289
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:49,800
around checking out musicians or

1290
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:52,880
something let's see what we got here

1291
00:56:56,329 --> 00:56:55,079
oh so you're a musician too didn't even

1292
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:56,339
know that yeah but I was a

1293
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:57,780
singer-songwriter for like 20 years

1294
00:57:02,809 --> 00:57:00,900
before this yeah really

1295
00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:02,819
wow weird

1296
00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:04,680
um yeah I think there might be something

1297
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:07,079
to that I heard you talking to

1298
00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:09,420
you had Lou Elizondo on a little while

1299
00:57:14,089 --> 00:57:11,339
back and you guys were talking about

1300
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:14,099
music and the importance of music and

1301
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:15,300
um I thought that was an interesting

1302
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:17,099
conversation but that's definitely where

1303
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:19,859
I went with this so I sure I saw UFO and

1304
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:22,500
being a songwriter being an artist

1305
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:23,339
um

1306
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,220
I started to

1307
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:28,319
I initially wrote a song that's actually

1308
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:29,640
going to be our next single is coming

1309
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:32,040
out it's called I want to believe it's

1310
00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:34,260
um it's a it's really about my

1311
00:57:37,609 --> 00:57:35,940
experience like I saw this weird thing

1312
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:37,619
in the sky that I can't explain I don't

1313
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,400
know what it was I still remain very

1314
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,500
I'm very open about like or trying to

1315
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,119
not say I know something that I don't

1316
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:47,280
know and saying like I don't know what I

1317
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:50,099
saw all I know is the context of it was

1318
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:53,160
very strange I was with a friend and I

1319
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,859
knew that UFOs was that was a thing like

1320
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,839
I said I was pretty much like this is

1321
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,000
just some high-tech space you know

1322
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:02,880
military craft until when I saw it I was

1323
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:04,440
literally with a friend and we were

1324
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:06,900
talking about UFOs like out front of my

1325
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:09,480
house and I said something like man I'd

1326
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:11,579
love to see a UFO I've never seen a UFO

1327
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:14,160
and I looked up in the sky and we

1328
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:16,140
literally saw UFO like right then like I

1329
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:18,180
almost didn't know what to think because

1330
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:21,300
and when I say that I mean I just saw

1331
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,819
two stars all of a sudden appear in the

1332
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:25,200
sky that weren't there like as I'm

1333
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,480
looking at the sky two bright stars

1334
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:30,000
appear and I'm just kind of confused for

1335
00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:31,140
a while and I didn't even mention

1336
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:32,819
anything my friends talking over here

1337
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:35,400
and I'm just kind of going like well

1338
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:37,980
that's odd and then as I'm watching them

1339
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:39,480
for about 30 40 seconds and all of a

1340
00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:41,640
sudden they just disappeared and I was

1341
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:43,500
like well that's not you know they

1342
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:44,819
weren't moving they're stationary they

1343
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:47,280
look like stars it wasn't a satellite it

1344
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:49,140
wasn't it just was appeared and then it

1345
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:52,319
disappeared and then two nights later so

1346
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:53,700
I was kind of weirded out about it just

1347
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:55,140
kind of like what the heck was that I

1348
00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:56,460
don't I don't I've never seen a star

1349
00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:58,020
just appear and then disappear you know

1350
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,819
right and then two nights later I went

1351
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:01,200
on my back porch and I thought I'm gonna

1352
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:02,160
go out there and see if I can see this

1353
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:05,099
thing again and then same thing like I

1354
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,420
know there's nothing in the sky because

1355
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:08,640
I'm looking at the Horizon and then my

1356
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:10,200
newborn son was crying so I stepped

1357
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,079
inside and uh I stepped back I was going

1358
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:15,119
30 seconds I stepped back outside right

1359
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:16,440
in that same spot in the sky all of a

1360
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,460
sudden there's this star that wasn't

1361
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:19,920
there before and I'm kind of

1362
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:22,380
flabbergasted like what the heck I've

1363
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:24,359
never seen that before and then this

1364
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:25,799
time it was really weird because it

1365
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:27,720
started to spin and then like shot

1366
00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:29,640
across the Horizon like as fast as a

1367
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:32,819
bullet just like gone and so all that to

1368
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:34,440
say is like I don't know what it is I

1369
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,460
don't know

1370
00:59:40,849 --> 00:59:38,640
I mean but it did spark this change in

1371
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:40,859
me that I thought

1372
00:59:43,069 --> 00:59:41,460
um

1373
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:43,079
I don't know what your experience did to

1374
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:44,400
you but to me it was just kind of like

1375
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,260
this realization that like

1376
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:48,480
reality isn't quite what we think it is

1377
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:50,339
and there's there's a lot there's a lot

1378
00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:52,440
to be explained in in a really cool way

1379
00:59:57,170 --> 00:59:54,420
because it was like I find a lot of

1380
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,180
comfort in that as like this idea of

1381
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:00,000
there's a lot uh that we don't know and

1382
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,680
that's exciting and it's like you know

1383
01:00:08,750 --> 01:00:06,960
I described it to my wife as like the

1384
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,760
just the timing of it was so weird it's

1385
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:11,040
like if you told me hey Dante I've never

1386
01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:12,480
seen a hot air balloon that'd be cool if

1387
01:00:15,289 --> 01:00:14,099
we saw a hot air balloon and then you

1388
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:15,299
looked up and you're like probably damn

1389
01:00:18,890 --> 01:00:17,339
there's a hot air balloon and then two

1390
01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:18,900
days later you're like hey remember we

1391
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:20,220
saw that hot air balloon I'd never and

1392
01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:21,420
then you looked up and you're like oh my

1393
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,740
God there's another hot air balloon like

1394
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:24,240
right there it was just this weird

1395
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:26,040
feeling of like are they listening to us

1396
01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:29,400
is the universe interacting with me in

1397
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:31,020
some way is God interacting with me in

1398
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:33,000
some way I don't know you know it's just

1399
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:33,839
yeah

1400
01:00:38,450 --> 01:00:36,780
it was kind of a cool feeling of like I

1401
01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:38,460
think that reality is more important

1402
01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:40,740
than we think it is and like

1403
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:43,140
in individually

1404
01:00:47,089 --> 01:00:45,000
um maybe the things that we say and do

1405
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,099
matters like a lot you know and you're

1406
01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:48,720
you know I don't know where to go with

1407
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,420
that except that uh I find it very hard

1408
01:00:55,309 --> 01:00:53,280
to think that it's just random you know

1409
01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:55,319
and just like you know you just happen

1410
01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:57,480
to see somebody so they got me writing

1411
01:01:01,789 --> 01:00:59,099
these songs I wrote I wrote the I Want

1412
01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:01,799
to Believe song and then uh

1413
01:01:06,109 --> 01:01:04,500
I wrote uh Betty The Ballad of Betty and

1414
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:06,119
parney Hill that we released a few

1415
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,280
months ago and I I decided that would be

1416
01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:10,079
cool to do a whole series so I've

1417
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:12,599
composed the whole album of songs like

1418
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:16,020
these that are all based on just some

1419
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,079
famous but some also obscure sure

1420
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,359
um stories but they're all real stories

1421
01:01:25,370 --> 01:01:23,520
they're not like somebody's fictional

1422
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,380
account it's like you know Betty and

1423
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:27,359
Barney Hill very they've made movies

1424
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:28,680
about it

1425
01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:30,900
um and I've actually it was so cool

1426
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:33,420
after I released the song

1427
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,880
um a fan connected me with she happened

1428
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:38,160
to be friends with Kathleen Martin who's

1429
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:42,480
Betty's niece oh yeah yeah sure next she

1430
01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:44,220
like group texted us to Kathleen

1431
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,780
Kathleen and she's like hey Kathleen

1432
01:01:50,329 --> 01:01:47,280
doctor just wrote this song about your

1433
01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:50,339
aunt and so as the song came out she's

1434
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:51,660
texting me and telling me what she

1435
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:52,920
thinks of it and stuff and it's just

1436
01:01:57,289 --> 01:01:54,660
this weird like surreal moment where I'm

1437
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,299
like I can't believe that she's texting

1438
01:02:01,490 --> 01:01:59,760
me first of all and then also that she's

1439
01:02:04,609 --> 01:02:01,500
listening to this song about her aunt

1440
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:04,619
that's that's a story and then um

1441
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:07,740
her their granddaughter uh Angela Hill

1442
01:02:14,270 --> 01:02:11,099
she's a famous U.S UFC fighter now is

1443
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:14,280
she uh retweeted and commented she found

1444
01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:16,260
it on Twitter too

1445
01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:18,299
and said something about it and said oh

1446
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:19,740
hey I'm going to use this as a walkout

1447
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:20,940
song and

1448
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:22,680
um and it's just that was just so cool

1449
01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:26,160
you could take the story that was like I

1450
01:02:30,289 --> 01:02:28,140
guess that's what I'm trying to do is to

1451
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:30,299
put it into music is like you have UFO

1452
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,339
movies you have UFO documentaries you

1453
01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:34,559
have UFO books but then I thought no

1454
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:36,839
one's really doing this like like it's

1455
01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:39,900
UFO music you know and it's it's uh it's

1456
01:02:44,569 --> 01:02:41,579
another art form but it's another way to

1457
01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:44,579
tell the stories in a creative way which

1458
01:02:48,289 --> 01:02:45,660
is what we're trying to do right now

1459
01:02:51,770 --> 01:02:48,299
well our stories are

1460
01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:51,780
are are somewhat uh similar and and

1461
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:53,400
these are the ways it's similar so the

1462
01:02:59,450 --> 01:02:56,760
the first sighting I had it was in my

1463
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,460
backyard it was maybe and I'm not going

1464
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,440
to go into like detail just to show you

1465
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:03,599
the similarities here the first one was

1466
01:03:07,970 --> 01:03:06,119
maybe like 40 feet above my house it was

1467
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,980
pretty crazy

1468
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:09,839
um pretty big event happened in my life

1469
01:03:15,049 --> 01:03:11,460
that was kind of dramatic a couple days

1470
01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:15,059
later in the same spot my backyard I see

1471
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:16,980
uh

1472
01:03:22,609 --> 01:03:20,099
like another thing that's maybe 13 feet

1473
01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:22,619
in front of me that's made of like the

1474
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:25,260
same material whatever it is

1475
01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:26,220
um

1476
01:03:30,289 --> 01:03:28,380
but uh had a different shape to it so it

1477
01:03:32,329 --> 01:03:30,299
was kind of weird they were pretty close

1478
01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:32,339
like you saw more than I did like I just

1479
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,740
saw lights you saw something pretty yeah

1480
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:37,200
essential yeah right and then uh after

1481
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,440
that uh I wrote Maybe

1482
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:43,200
two and a half albums we're at the music

1483
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:47,040
yeah all about like uh yeah UAP stuff

1484
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,180
and

1485
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:50,460
um I didn't really write about any cases

1486
01:03:54,049 --> 01:03:52,500
or anything it just uh kind of like my

1487
01:03:55,450 --> 01:03:54,059
experience and stuff

1488
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:55,460
yeah

1489
01:04:01,789 --> 01:03:59,819
I I have an album on um

1490
01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:01,799
you know I kind of like there's a longer

1491
01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:03,480
story to it like I kind of quit my like

1492
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:05,400
music career

1493
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,220
maybe a few months prior to that and not

1494
01:04:12,109 --> 01:04:10,319
like on purpose but I had made my first

1495
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:12,119
like vinyl record

1496
01:04:18,049 --> 01:04:15,180
and uh was going so low

1497
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:18,059
and

1498
01:04:26,809 --> 01:04:24,960
coronavirus shut everything down oh God

1499
01:04:29,630 --> 01:04:26,819
and I never went back to it after that

1500
01:04:32,510 --> 01:04:29,640
so I have boxes of Records now but so so

1501
01:04:34,849 --> 01:04:32,520
after that one I had the experience and

1502
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,859
then I just you know made songs and like

1503
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,480
put them on my podcast and just because

1504
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:38,640
I'm always gonna write music but like

1505
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,440
the hustle and stuff gets like I'm kind

1506
01:04:44,089 --> 01:04:42,960
of tired of that part of it so I can't

1507
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:44,099
believe that I didn't know that about

1508
01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:45,960
you and then I just have been watching

1509
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,460
your YouTube channel and interested in

1510
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,680
your podcast and the idea that you're

1511
01:04:52,370 --> 01:04:51,359
also our musician and a songwriter and

1512
01:04:54,370 --> 01:04:52,380
you

1513
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,380
it's kind of weirding me out

1514
01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:56,640
and we've been you know we both got to

1515
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,140
look at the same Duke so my hair is

1516
01:05:02,990 --> 01:05:00,000
black and yours is like more Brown

1517
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:03,000
yeah that's funny what genre of music

1518
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,789
it's kind of all over the place yeah I'm

1519
01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:12,720
a singer-songwriter so I've I've been

1520
01:05:17,569 --> 01:05:14,940
writing original music the whole time

1521
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:17,579
I've been playing music so but it's you

1522
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,240
know

1523
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:20,400
um kind of like some stuff is real like

1524
01:05:26,089 --> 01:05:23,520
folky singer-songwriter saddy ballad

1525
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:26,099
kind of stuff other stuff is uh more

1526
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:34,010
are they are they specifically did you

1527
01:05:39,289 --> 01:05:36,180
write anything about your specific UFO

1528
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:39,299
experience yeah I reckon yeah I call it

1529
01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:42,240
songs for the phenomenon yeah okay I'll

1530
01:05:46,430 --> 01:05:43,740
check it out yeah I could probably

1531
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,440
that's amazing you know also when I

1532
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,240
released uh

1533
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:49,920
Betty and Barney Hill another fan

1534
01:06:02,030 --> 01:05:58,309
so uh in April he ran it on his program

1535
01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:02,040
and um he was using his Bumper Music and

1536
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:03,059
then

1537
01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:05,400
he uh he reached out last week and he

1538
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:07,140
wants to use it as his like intro music

1539
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:08,400
when he's speaking as he's going around

1540
01:06:12,430 --> 01:06:10,500
the country and I was like hell yeah

1541
01:06:14,569 --> 01:06:12,440
George

1542
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:14,579
and then it got really weird because

1543
01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:18,960
then uh we had a publication do uh a

1544
01:06:23,690 --> 01:06:21,240
piece on us and review it and then

1545
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:23,700
George Knapp saw when I tweeted out on

1546
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,859
on Twitter I think I tagged him in it

1547
01:06:29,450 --> 01:06:27,359
but I didn't expect him really respond

1548
01:06:31,490 --> 01:06:29,460
and George Knapp saw it and he he

1549
01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:31,500
flipped out about it he retweeted it and

1550
01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:33,720
he reached out and he he's we're still

1551
01:06:37,309 --> 01:06:35,160
in communication I think he wants to do

1552
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:37,319
something on it but you know he's a fan

1553
01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:38,480
of Music

1554
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:41,880
he's super supportive you know oh yeah

1555
01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:43,559
as well like I remember

1556
01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:45,960
you know when I was first uh kind of

1557
01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:47,880
starting out and I had a question about

1558
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,240
something and I just like dm'd him

1559
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:53,280
um and he responded it took a while but

1560
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,079
he responded and then I remember like

1561
01:06:59,809 --> 01:06:56,960
following up like with a few messages

1562
01:07:03,069 --> 01:06:59,819
and then that that was it was like take

1563
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,079
what you get buddy all right yeah

1564
01:07:07,069 --> 01:07:05,520
he responded though the night that he

1565
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:07,079
was tweeting about it we were pretty he

1566
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:08,940
was like we were back and forth quite a

1567
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,280
bit but then uh that week he's like hey

1568
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:13,200
email me some stuff and then uh I

1569
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:14,760
haven't heard back from him yet but I'm

1570
01:07:19,789 --> 01:07:16,440
pretty sure it's like yeah get to me

1571
01:07:21,710 --> 01:07:19,799
when he has a minute so so uh um let me

1572
01:07:26,410 --> 01:07:21,720
ask you have you played music for a

1573
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:29,150
yeah it's super pro your your music

1574
01:07:33,950 --> 01:07:31,799
video is really beautifully done it

1575
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,960
seems like it should be like and the you

1576
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:35,520
know top 10

1577
01:07:39,549 --> 01:07:38,160
you know country Bluegrass charts or

1578
01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:39,559
whatever

1579
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:42,059
it's perfect yeah like what do you want

1580
01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:44,940
I appreciate it man I I didn't take a

1581
01:07:47,809 --> 01:07:46,500
break from music I've always done music

1582
01:07:49,849 --> 01:07:47,819
but

1583
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:49,859
um probably about seven years ago I

1584
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,660
really got into video production and I

1585
01:07:55,970 --> 01:07:53,039
started a company with a buddy of mine

1586
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:55,980
about five years ago and so I've done

1587
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,079
this I've done a ton of video production

1588
01:08:03,529 --> 01:08:00,720
and now I've kind of come to this place

1589
01:08:04,370 --> 01:08:03,539
where I'm like yo I wanna it's kind I

1590
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:04,380
don't know if you probably relate to

1591
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,299
this as a musician it's like I kind of

1592
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:08,160
just plateaued and I didn't feel like I

1593
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,380
had anything really worthy to say you

1594
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:12,240
know it was kind of like writing songs

1595
01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:13,920
just for the sake of writing a song and

1596
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:16,199
I didn't like that like so I didn't

1597
01:08:20,450 --> 01:08:18,299
write anything for a long time until

1598
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:20,460
this damn UFO thing happened and it was

1599
01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:23,759
like well that's worth writing about so

1600
01:08:27,470 --> 01:08:25,739
I started writing about those and now

1601
01:08:28,249 --> 01:08:27,480
I've realized I think that there's just

1602
01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:28,259
a

1603
01:08:34,669 --> 01:08:33,060
you know people

1604
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:34,679
I think there's a lot of people that

1605
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,199
that really connect with the idea and I

1606
01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:39,359
think that my hope would be that we

1607
01:08:43,010 --> 01:08:41,100
could almost create like a sub-genre of

1608
01:08:44,150 --> 01:08:43,020
Music here where it's like that's what I

1609
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,160
tell people it's like it's not country

1610
01:08:49,490 --> 01:08:46,080
music it's UFO country music so it's

1611
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,500
like yeah you know it's uh or it's just

1612
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:50,880
something that's like

1613
01:08:56,749 --> 01:08:53,580
you know in some ways the genres of

1614
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,759
music have become boring and or like

1615
01:09:00,169 --> 01:08:58,080
everything there's nothing new Under the

1616
01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:00,179
Sun kind of thing so it's like we have

1617
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,980
to get creative and now the topics can

1618
01:09:06,769 --> 01:09:04,319
become the interesting part and you you

1619
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:06,779
know telling interesting stories

1620
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:09,299
um that's what's I'd like the music to

1621
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:11,880
still be really good but also telling

1622
01:09:15,769 --> 01:09:13,440
those stories

1623
01:09:16,910 --> 01:09:15,779
um it's just it's more interesting to me

1624
01:09:19,550 --> 01:09:16,920
and I don't know if it's just because I

1625
01:09:21,169 --> 01:09:19,560
have 80 me or something but it's like I

1626
01:09:24,249 --> 01:09:21,179
like it to be I have that too so maybe

1627
01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:26,990
writing uh it's the bird dogs and I said

1628
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:29,219
uh we're not doing any stupid love songs

1629
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:30,900
we're not doing instead of it's a love

1630
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:32,580
song it's got to be a love song about a

1631
01:09:37,550 --> 01:09:34,259
couple that gets abducted by aliens or

1632
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:37,560
something you guys have more weird to it

1633
01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:40,380
than just like you know some sappy

1634
01:09:45,470 --> 01:09:43,259
country song yeah so do you have plans

1635
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:45,480
to like release an album or anything

1636
01:09:50,269 --> 01:09:47,100
like that do you have any like big

1637
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:50,279
release plans yeah I'm single you were

1638
01:09:52,430 --> 01:09:51,120
talking about

1639
01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:52,440
yeah we're doing it completely

1640
01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:54,660
independent right now

1641
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:56,160
um I don't know if you're familiar with

1642
01:09:59,390 --> 01:09:57,719
Leon Russell

1643
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,400
um and his history with Tulsa Oklahoma

1644
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:02,400
it sounds extremely familiar dude if you

1645
01:10:06,530 --> 01:10:03,960
ever make it to Tulsa and anyone listen

1646
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,540
to this if you go to uh there's a studio

1647
01:10:11,570 --> 01:10:09,120
that uh we did we tracked the songs in

1648
01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:11,580
It's called The Church studio and it's

1649
01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:14,760
Leon Russell's old Studio that he

1650
01:10:20,030 --> 01:10:17,460
converted this old church in Tulsa into

1651
01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:20,040
a studio and he died

1652
01:10:25,250 --> 01:10:22,140
um I don't know probably five six years

1653
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:25,260
ago so his the studio went up for sale

1654
01:10:29,930 --> 01:10:27,420
and a woman named Theresa Knox she

1655
01:10:32,209 --> 01:10:29,940
bought it and she is like renovated the

1656
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:32,219
entire thing and spared no expense I

1657
01:10:36,050 --> 01:10:33,360
mean it's like a 20 million dollar

1658
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,060
studio and it's also a museum so it's

1659
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:38,640
amazing you go in there and like you're

1660
01:10:43,729 --> 01:10:41,460
tracking on I mean I'm using like Bob

1661
01:10:45,649 --> 01:10:43,739
Dylan's Neve console you know I mean I'm

1662
01:10:48,050 --> 01:10:45,659
tracking on the same stuff that you two

1663
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:48,060
used I'm tracking on these microphones

1664
01:10:53,689 --> 01:10:50,340
that used to belong I played on my song

1665
01:10:56,209 --> 01:10:53,699
I'm playing Dan fogelberg's piano they

1666
01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:56,219
bought this unbelievable grand piano

1667
01:11:02,590 --> 01:10:59,100
it's Dan fogelberg's old with piano and

1668
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:02,600
uh so yeah it was it's a cool experience

1669
01:11:07,770 --> 01:11:04,980
I don't want to brag or anything but

1670
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:07,780
check this out bro

1671
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:11,600
[Laughter]

1672
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:13,560
straight up

1673
01:11:18,930 --> 01:11:16,440
you know the plugin though was like the

1674
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:18,940
sounds were recorded at a really nice

1675
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,600
[Laughter]

1676
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,000
I uh I'm a hack on the piano and that

1677
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:27,120
piano was so nice it was like it hid all

1678
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:28,800
your mistakes you just played it and I'm

1679
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:30,540
like that's awesome man I never played

1680
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,100
on an instrument there's probably 200

1681
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,840
000 piano but it's like oh there's a

1682
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,280
difference it sounds a lot better yeah

1683
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,679
there's a difference yeah yeah it's it's

1684
01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:40,080
totally worth it if you get into one of

1685
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:43,020
those Studios I mean like that what what

1686
01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:45,239
uh companies are doing these days with

1687
01:11:49,010 --> 01:11:47,400
uh like plugins and and what you can do

1688
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:49,020
in yourself with with your Daw or

1689
01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:51,900
whatever like that's what I've

1690
01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:53,640
um been doing a lot because you know I

1691
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:55,560
can just do it myself or whatever

1692
01:11:59,090 --> 01:11:57,540
and I'm not like planning

1693
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:59,100
like anything

1694
01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:01,320
like if I were to do it legit uh you

1695
01:12:04,970 --> 01:12:03,300
know I would hopefully be able to do it

1696
01:12:07,850 --> 01:12:04,980
like something like what you guys are

1697
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:07,860
doing but anyways these plugins get get

1698
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,620
really good and this sounds good really

1699
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,960
amazing but do you use the isotope

1700
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:15,360
package no I don't know what that is but

1701
01:12:19,790 --> 01:12:17,580
I just use like Native Instruments stuff

1702
01:12:21,890 --> 01:12:19,800
you know yeah I see a link but no you're

1703
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,900
right like the ability but it's not you

1704
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:23,760
know it's never the same I'm not saying

1705
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:25,320
but you can clean a lot of stuff up

1706
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,480
because my point like the ability to

1707
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,480
make something sound pretty good is uh

1708
01:12:35,209 --> 01:12:32,640
right at your fingertips but yeah this

1709
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:35,219
studio is like old school like it's all

1710
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:38,520
just Visions here amazing mics and so

1711
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:41,040
yeah that's the plan is to track

1712
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,020
um probably later this summer go back in

1713
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:45,600
and track the rest of the songs and

1714
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:47,880
um we have some music videos we have uh

1715
01:12:50,990 --> 01:12:49,080
two other videos that were in the middle

1716
01:12:53,090 --> 01:12:51,000
of uh shooting that hopefully in the

1717
01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:53,100
next few months we'll release and

1718
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:54,600
um yeah I'm just wanting to do something

1719
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:55,560
that's

1720
01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:57,480
it's one of those projects and you

1721
01:13:00,590 --> 01:12:58,860
probably feel this way too about your

1722
01:13:02,090 --> 01:13:00,600
music like somebody asked me a while

1723
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,100
back like well why are you why are you

1724
01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:04,320
doing this and honestly it was just for

1725
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,500
me like you know I I feel like it's like

1726
01:13:09,890 --> 01:13:09,120
writing a novel or something it's like

1727
01:13:12,169 --> 01:13:09,900
well

1728
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,179
I think you know I'm passionate about it

1729
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:13,920
I love these songs I hope other people

1730
01:13:17,090 --> 01:13:15,480
love them you know I don't really care

1731
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:17,100
if anyone does or not you know I think

1732
01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:18,840
it's well music stuff that I like to

1733
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,239
play being like a songwriter uh to me at

1734
01:13:25,130 --> 01:13:22,800
least in my experience

1735
01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:25,140
you go through like phases of learning

1736
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,000
and growth and songwriting and

1737
01:13:33,649 --> 01:13:29,760
Performing and being that vulnerable to

1738
01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:33,659
to other people publicly and you know as

1739
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:35,820
you go through that process

1740
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:38,880
at least I realized that I have to be

1741
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:42,480
able to create music just for myself or

1742
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:46,080
I wouldn't survive you know because like

1743
01:13:50,090 --> 01:13:48,300
you go through so many spurts in music

1744
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,100
where it's just Soul crushing and if

1745
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:52,560
you're not doing it for the joy of doing

1746
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:54,300
it you know for yourself you're not

1747
01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:56,460
gonna make it or the or the therapy of

1748
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,340
it I mean right exactly exactly yeah

1749
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:01,199
it's a part of it yeah

1750
01:14:04,970 --> 01:14:04,199
yeah like I mean this this article

1751
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:04,980
um

1752
01:14:10,189 --> 01:14:06,780
that I used to have in my wall I just

1753
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:10,199
changed it but uh like uh my wife's

1754
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:12,360
godmother like framed it for me but it

1755
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:15,900
said uh Sean Rash uses music as therapy

1756
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:25,610
um other people I mean I'm sure you've

1757
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,880
experienced that with you know you write

1758
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:29,040
a song Maybe it meant one thing to you

1759
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,340
and you know inevitably people from all

1760
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:35,040
walks of life will respond I mean I

1761
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:36,900
played at a casino last night and a

1762
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:38,460
woman came up to me and she's in tears

1763
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:40,260
because she was just and it wasn't it

1764
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,699
wasn't like but it was just like she was

1765
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:43,920
saying you know he not really connected

1766
01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:46,020
with me you know and like I really

1767
01:14:50,330 --> 01:14:48,540
appreciate it and and to me I'm I

1768
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,340
actually was feeling like kind of worn

1769
01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:53,280
out because it was a second set you know

1770
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:54,840
I'm just kind of just powering through

1771
01:14:59,810 --> 01:14:57,540
but it was like that reminder like hey

1772
01:15:02,990 --> 01:14:59,820
this this means something to people you

1773
01:15:04,610 --> 01:15:03,000
know and even if it's one person that's

1774
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:04,620
great you know if it's a million people

1775
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:06,900
that's great too yeah no I know what you

1776
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:10,440
mean dude yeah I appreciate uh what

1777
01:15:14,030 --> 01:15:12,780
you're talking about for sure so and I

1778
01:15:16,270 --> 01:15:14,040
think what you're what you're doing is

1779
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:16,280
is super interesting it's so well done

1780
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:20,280
uh very musically talented good song and

1781
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:22,860
uh so hopefully everything works out for

1782
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:24,300
you

1783
01:15:28,010 --> 01:15:26,280
um oh man I appreciate it I appreciate

1784
01:15:30,169 --> 01:15:28,020
the uh let me come on I just thought

1785
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:30,179
after I have a few other podcasts that

1786
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:31,500
reached out to me and then I thought

1787
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:34,500
well uh yeah I should reach out to the

1788
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:36,060
podcast that I listen to and tell them

1789
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,520
hey I'd love to I'd like to see more

1790
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:40,080
like I want to listen to your stuff now

1791
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:42,780
like I want more artists to get into

1792
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,300
this idea of uh specifically honing in

1793
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,000
on the uh yeah UFO country or the you

1794
01:15:52,729 --> 01:15:50,400
know the it's got to be yeah it's got to

1795
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:52,739
be kind of like uh well to me at least

1796
01:15:55,850 --> 01:15:54,540
it's got to be kind of like an organic

1797
01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:55,860
thing like you were discussing about

1798
01:16:01,010 --> 01:15:58,260
songwriting like you know Don't Force It

1799
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:01,020
it comes along comes along and and I did

1800
01:16:04,689 --> 01:16:02,820
that you did that and look at us we're

1801
01:16:06,669 --> 01:16:04,699
talking to each other right now

1802
01:16:09,470 --> 01:16:06,679
well I'm sure

1803
01:16:11,890 --> 01:16:09,480
that kind of influenced those phenomenon

1804
01:16:13,729 --> 01:16:11,900
I'm gonna have

1805
01:16:15,709 --> 01:16:13,739
your life

1806
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:15,719
but I was going to ask you that like do

1807
01:16:21,290 --> 01:16:17,159
you

1808
01:16:23,630 --> 01:16:21,300
creativity in some way

1809
01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:23,640
uh yeah definitely

1810
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:25,800
um I was much like yourself I was done

1811
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:29,100
like kind of songwriting I was at you

1812
01:16:30,890 --> 01:16:29,760
know

1813
01:16:33,770 --> 01:16:30,900
um

1814
01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:33,780
uh creative uh influence kind of you

1815
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:35,400
know you have Ebbs and flows obviously

1816
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,940
but I was definitely towards the bottom

1817
01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:40,560
um and then that happened and I went

1818
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:43,380
crazy and wrote a bunch of stuff

1819
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:43,920
um

1820
01:16:47,570 --> 01:16:45,719
and I'm here and I've been doing this

1821
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:47,580
podcast for years and I'm looking at

1822
01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:49,860
like flying saucer files from the Air

1823
01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:51,960
Force like every day these are all

1824
01:16:55,610 --> 01:16:53,880
things I never thought I would ever be

1825
01:16:58,189 --> 01:16:55,620
doing in a million years even when

1826
01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:58,199
coronavirus hit and people started doing

1827
01:17:02,450 --> 01:17:00,120
like uh live streams of their music

1828
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:02,460
concerts and stuff I didn't want any

1829
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:04,980
part of that I was like this is not what

1830
01:17:09,890 --> 01:17:07,320
I want for music like I'm not doing this

1831
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:09,900
you know and then here I am like I'm not

1832
01:17:13,550 --> 01:17:11,640
do I'm doing music but I'm not playing

1833
01:17:15,649 --> 01:17:13,560
live or whatever but I you know put my

1834
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:15,659
songs on my YouTube but here I am like

1835
01:17:20,990 --> 01:17:17,460
live streaming talking about something

1836
01:17:23,870 --> 01:17:21,000
just like yourself dude I had uh I I was

1837
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,880
uh I'm a natural skeptic you know if the

1838
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,159
go shows on and they hear noise I'm like

1839
01:17:31,970 --> 01:17:28,080
oh I bet you heard a noise you know like

1840
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:31,980
that kind of that's me 100 man and then

1841
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:34,260
it all started changing so it sounds

1842
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:35,760
like right around the same time it did

1843
01:17:41,930 --> 01:17:38,880
for you have you have you read

1844
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:41,940
um Diana pasoka's book yeah American

1845
01:17:46,669 --> 01:17:44,580
Cosmic yeah that's good that was that

1846
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:46,679
was a book when I read that I wondered

1847
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,500
as a songwriter just is your opinion on

1848
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:51,840
it like the thing that resonated with me

1849
01:17:56,689 --> 01:17:54,360
in that book was the way that the

1850
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:56,699
character described almost downloading

1851
01:18:01,970 --> 01:18:00,000
information that they used for you know

1852
01:18:03,649 --> 01:18:01,980
different Technologies and stuff I was

1853
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:03,659
like that's exactly how I write songs

1854
01:18:08,750 --> 01:18:06,480
like when I write song especially the

1855
01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:08,760
best songs I've written it's I tell

1856
01:18:12,169 --> 01:18:10,380
people I swear it feels like a download

1857
01:18:13,729 --> 01:18:12,179
because it's I don't know where it comes

1858
01:18:15,649 --> 01:18:13,739
from and a lot of these songs that I

1859
01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:15,659
wrote I would tell you I wrote them in

1860
01:18:20,510 --> 01:18:18,060
like five minutes like it's like as I

1861
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:20,520
goes in and I specifically with these

1862
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:22,020
songs it felt more like that I don't

1863
01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:23,280
know if it's because I was paying

1864
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:25,560
attention to it but with you do you do

1865
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,960
you have that same kind of experience or

1866
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:29,760
what is your songwriting process yeah

1867
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:32,340
definitely um all like my writing as far

1868
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:34,500
as like the lyrics and everything

1869
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:37,920
um seldomly I'll I'll kind of pre-pick

1870
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:39,840
out a topic usually it's all just kind

1871
01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:42,120
of like automatic writing like I'll just

1872
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:43,739
kind of get in this weird like trans

1873
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,080
Zone and just start

1874
01:18:50,930 --> 01:18:48,960
uh writing out the words until like

1875
01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:50,940
there's like this kind of internal click

1876
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:53,159
thing for me with the lion and I just

1877
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:55,320
keep keep writing that way

1878
01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:56,760
um

1879
01:19:01,370 --> 01:18:59,880
but uh yeah the the downloads you should

1880
01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:01,380
check out Grant Cameron you wrote a

1881
01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:02,940
whole book about

1882
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:06,420
um that in musicians and has stories

1883
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,820
about it I don't know like which ones

1884
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:10,800
are legit truth or not but it's

1885
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:12,360
definitely interesting for sure there's

1886
01:19:15,770 --> 01:19:14,100
ones about like John Lennon having a

1887
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:15,780
dream or Paul McCartney or something and

1888
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:17,880
that inspired a song but I know what you

1889
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:19,800
mean where you don't know where it comes

1890
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:21,900
from because the automatic like the way

1891
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:23,640
I do the writing and I'm not saying I'm

1892
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:25,260
like getting it from anywhere this is

1893
01:19:29,149 --> 01:19:27,480
just how I write

1894
01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:29,159
um I don't necessarily understand it

1895
01:19:33,050 --> 01:19:31,500
though you know so like the words just

1896
01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:33,060
come from somewhere I don't know where

1897
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,640
yeah like

1898
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:37,679
where'd that idea come from and you kind

1899
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,320
of think uh the cosmos I don't know yeah

1900
01:19:44,209 --> 01:19:42,000
I usually don't understand really what

1901
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,219
it's about until much later and I'll be

1902
01:19:47,810 --> 01:19:45,840
listening to the song and then think

1903
01:19:50,270 --> 01:19:47,820
back about like my life at the time or

1904
01:19:52,189 --> 01:19:50,280
some events in my life and I'll go ah

1905
01:19:55,250 --> 01:19:52,199
that song really fits that part of my

1906
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:55,260
life you know I didn't expect this

1907
01:19:59,450 --> 01:19:57,000
conversation to be so connected like

1908
01:20:00,830 --> 01:19:59,460
that I didn't know that uh that you had

1909
01:20:04,130 --> 01:20:00,840
music was such a big part of your life

1910
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:04,140
too so that's amazing yeah yeah cool it

1911
01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:06,000
is because yeah I haven't met anyone

1912
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:07,500
else um

1913
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:10,380
either that um I've met other people

1914
01:20:15,950 --> 01:20:12,600
that are musicians and play music or

1915
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:18,590
um not as much as you know what you're

1916
01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:20,880
doing and and what I've done in the past

1917
01:20:25,729 --> 01:20:23,640
which is never been able to get

1918
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,739
that professional

1919
01:20:29,870 --> 01:20:27,600
um unfortunately we got close we had a

1920
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,880
couple nice videos a couple nice stages

1921
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:31,920
we played

1922
01:20:36,830 --> 01:20:33,540
um but never got that record deal or

1923
01:20:38,810 --> 01:20:36,840
anything or or you know investing at

1924
01:20:41,630 --> 01:20:38,820
like it like we should have as a company

1925
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,640
at least with their own money yeah yeah

1926
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:43,679
we uh I had another band called Dante

1927
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:45,120
and the Hawks for a long time and it was

1928
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:48,000
a good band but um this band uh

1929
01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:50,100
especially with my videos you're from

1930
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:53,159
Tulsa you said right yeah sound Pony I

1931
01:20:59,209 --> 01:20:55,800
played at the sound Pony yeah no kidding

1932
01:21:02,990 --> 01:20:59,219
yeah how long ago Dude that was like so

1933
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:03,000
long ago like uh crazy more than

1934
01:21:08,689 --> 01:21:06,420
15 years ago and there was uh like Oz

1935
01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:08,699
Fest happening at the time like down the

1936
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:11,580
street and it was like awful for us

1937
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:13,320
because we're just not that type of band

1938
01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:15,540
you know and these people are walking in

1939
01:21:19,310 --> 01:21:17,400
and out and I'm like singing my heart

1940
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:19,320
out and stuff with an electric guitar

1941
01:21:23,169 --> 01:21:21,540
but there was no Distortion you know

1942
01:21:25,729 --> 01:21:23,179
yeah

1943
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:25,739
people are coming in from that I'm like

1944
01:21:30,410 --> 01:21:28,380
oh my God this is a small enough City

1945
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:30,420
like that that yeah there's a barred

1946
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:32,460
caddy corner to that that we play pretty

1947
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,340
regular and um so whoever's playing at

1948
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,199
the main venues whether it's the BOK or

1949
01:21:41,570 --> 01:21:39,120
Kane's Ballroom or something yeah like

1950
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:41,580
yeah you'll get this at 11 o'clock

1951
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:43,260
you're gonna get a flood of whoever is

1952
01:21:46,729 --> 01:21:44,940
at that show but if it's some like

1953
01:21:48,169 --> 01:21:46,739
obscursion if it's not the genre that

1954
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:48,179
you can connect with it's always a

1955
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,800
little bit you know like we're more

1956
01:21:55,370 --> 01:21:51,360
country and kind of you know come in

1957
01:21:56,990 --> 01:21:55,380
like yeah yeah what the hell yeah I'm

1958
01:21:58,669 --> 01:21:57,000
not the right person you know they like

1959
01:22:02,930 --> 01:21:58,679
a lot of different stuff is just kind of

1960
01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:04,689
stories yeah

1961
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:09,320
wow wow but man yeah

1962
01:22:17,020 --> 01:22:20,530
[Music]

1963
01:22:20,540 --> 01:22:38,090
more objectives

1964
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:50,570
tomorrow

1965
01:22:50,580 --> 01:22:55,010
is

1966
01:24:09,790 --> 01:23:06,910
foreign

1967
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:17,400
what the heck is

1968
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:26,860
[Music]

1969
01:24:50,140 --> 01:24:43,070
what does it mean to you

1970
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:50,150
giving all you do and it's the last time

1971
01:25:08,590 --> 01:24:58,250
but I catch myself

1972
01:25:17,810 --> 01:25:13,030
if I forget this

1973
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:17,820
I'm losing memory muscle

1974
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:26,510
of what it was too you didn't flow this

1975
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,169
you need

1976
01:25:33,179 --> 01:25:39,590
the fits in or something

1977
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:45,850
it's the last time

1978
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:48,709
[Music]

1979
01:25:56,530 --> 01:25:52,800
but I catch myself saying that old the

1980
01:26:04,669 --> 01:25:59,410
and it's the last time

1981
01:26:13,149 --> 01:26:08,050
but I catch myself

1982
01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:17,750
all the time

1983
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:22,760
[Music]

1984
01:26:31,450 --> 01:26:27,440
I just need all the mess

1985
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:31,460
Propel me past the last

1986
01:26:39,709 --> 01:26:35,880
honest effort into time

1987
01:26:42,669 --> 01:26:39,719
please are your friend of mine and it's

1988
01:26:47,930 --> 01:26:42,679
the last time

1989
01:26:56,330 --> 01:26:51,070
but I catch myself

1990
01:27:04,850 --> 01:27:00,010
and it's the last time

1991
01:27:13,129 --> 01:27:09,590
but I catch myself in saying that all

1992
01:27:30,290 --> 01:27:17,450
all the time

1993
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,300
[Music]

1994
01:27:46,090 --> 01:27:33,120
all the time

1995
01:27:46,100 --> 01:28:09,709
what the heck is

1996
01:28:27,250 --> 01:28:18,110
foreign

1997
01:29:35,689 --> 01:28:43,740
[Music]

1998
01:29:35,699 --> 01:29:45,180
foreign

1999
01:30:22,570 --> 01:29:52,810
[Music]

2000
01:30:36,490 --> 01:30:24,260
thank you

2001
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:44,450
[Music]

2002
01:30:44,460 --> 01:30:47,750
thank you

2003
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,500
foreign

2004
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:06,980
[Music]

2005
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:26,190
thank you